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INTERVIEW WITH CHARLES NEVSIMAL
Editor & Otherwise
P.O. Box 170322
Milwaukee, WI 53217-8026
Review By: Charles P. Ries
I had finished my reading at Milwaukeeís venerated Woodland Pattern
Book Centerís Poetry Marathon, when a twenty-something guy carrying a
camcorder and tape deck says to me, ďIíd love to use some of your
stuff in my Anthills. How about it?Ē That was my first meeting with
small press publisher, Charles Nevsimal. He started fast, and he
hasnít slowed down.
Centennial Pressís inaugural issue of Anthills came out in 2000.
Anthills 2 soon followed, and by the time Issues 3 & 4 came along,
the zine had already featured an impressive roster of small press heavy
weights and new voices including: Antler, Matt Cook, A.D. Winans, Susan
Firer, Gunther C. Fogle, William Taylor Jr., John Sweet, justin.barrett,
Nathan Graziano, Karl Koweski, Glen W. Cooper, Lynne Savitt, Todd Moore,
Bradley Mason Hamlin, Lyn Lifshin, Alex Carlson, and John Tuschen (plus
a host of others). Deborah Bingen joined the team in 2002 as artist and
designer (and later went on to marry the Editor). Her contribution was
immediate with the release of two successive chapbooks: The System by
A.D. Winans, and Exclamation Points: Ad Infinitum! by Antler, both
praised for their content as well as design. Centennial Press filled the
time between chapbooks with a string of broadsides for poets Gunther C.
Fogle and Jeff Poniewaz. Most recently, Centennial Press has released
chapbooks for B.J. Best (a pocket-sized book called Crap) and Alex
Carlson (Whispering Winds: the Record Player Reads.) Both have sold
Q: Chuck, Tell me how you ended up a small press publisher?
When did you start?
A: I went to a small Lutheran University school here in
southeastern Wisconsin. Early Freshman year, my Intro to Writing
professor, Jean Timpel invited me to a Tuesday night writerís group
meeting on campus. It wasnít long before I volunteered to spearhead
the design and publication of the schoolís modest literary journal,
which, prior to my involvement, was nothing more than 8-1/2Ē by 11Ē
sheets of white typing paper bound by a shoddy plastic spiral coil. I
saw the potential for something far greater than what was being
realized, and saw to it that the journal evolved into something more
deserving. The first thing I did was trimmed the size down to that of an
actual book. By the time my Junior year rolled around, I was one of two
people selecting content for publication, something I did in addition to
the proofing, editing, designing, and printing of the book.
I was lucky to have been there (Concordia) at the same time as several
other talented writers. Together, we formed The Foundry, a
semi-elitist-but-altogether-inspiring campus writerís group. Even in
the early days with The Foundry, I always pictured myself putting
something similar together once I graduated. Something I controlled
completely. So after the shock of being a college graduate wore off, I
sat down with my buddy, Josh Peterson, and together we gave birth to
Centennial Press (named after the bar we frequented in our undergrad
years). Anthills became the name of our publication. The ball was
rolling. But soon, Josh moved away and I was left with sole patronage of
Centennial Press. Iíd already gathered poems from friends and
ex-Foundry members, but I wanted Anthills to be more than just a bunch
of material from people I knew well. Then, lightning struck. I
ďdiscoveredĒ the poetry of A.D. Winans. I was surfing the Internet
and reading everything of his I could find. So I sent him an e-mail
requesting poetry for publication and he responded in kind the very next
day with three poems that completely blew my mind.
With restored verve, I sought out Milwaukee poet, Antler. The people at
Woodland Pattern bookstore were kind enough to pass a letter on to him.
About a week after I dropped off the letter, he called me on the
telephone to tell me how excited he was that a new poetry zine was being
birthed in Milwaukee. He also told me to watch my P.O. box for a
submission. Wouldnít you know it; the man sent me 15 poems not one
week later. In addition to that, he urged his friend, Jeff Poniewaz, to
submit, which he also did. And the rest, as they say, is history Ö
Q: Why do you do it?
A: I publish because it is my way of putting something
beautiful into the world Ö something worthwhile. Itís a labor of
love in many ways, I suppose. I hardly make a dime off anything I
publish Ė hell, most times I end up well in the red. But thereís
something about giving people a book or a sheet of paper with words on
it knowing it might in one way or another lend to the shaping of their
world. Publishing these books is to me every bit as fulfilling as
writing a good poem. Youíre seeing your vision through to the end. And
you walk into a bookstore and the book you made, you created, you
birthed into the world is resting on the shelves among all the giants
Ö Neruda, Cummings, Whitman, Bukowski Ö that gives me chills every
time. But thatís just my self-centric reason for doing this. I do it
also, of course, because I believe strongly in the poetry I put out
there. I do it because I want to give these poems a home. The home I
give them is Anthills.
Q: Are you more of a publisher, or more of a writer?
A: I would say thereís a stronger urge in me to sit down
at my typewriter and rap out a poem or two Ö or eight. But Iím
delighted as hell I donít have to choose either/or in real life,
because my desire to put out Anthills Ė or a chapbook or broadside for
that matter Ė is so strong, thereís not a time, really, Iím not
thinking about my next project. And in many ways, I suppose, the two
ďvocations,Ē Iíll call them, are not all too dissimilar. As
editor/publisher, Iím deeply involved in each project Ö and by the
time the issue (or chap/broadside) is published, it magically contains
so much of me, itís almost as if it came from the same place my poems
come from. Not only that, but every poem I publish through Centennial
Press is one I wish Iíd written. So, even when the writer in me is
taking a backseat to the publisher, heís busily taking notes on how to
better himself. Oddly, though, I feel no great need to see my own poems
in print. I did at first, because I suppose I needed a validation of
some sort. But I havenít sent anything out for several months. I
probably wrote near 400 poems last year alone, and only three to four
people have ever seen them.
Q: Your Anthills series is as much graphic art as it is a
premier collection of writers and their work Ė what are you trying to
accomplish with Anthills?
A: Thank you so much. Iím very actively and creatively
involved in the pieces I publish. Thereís much to be said about
magazines like Free Verse (which is utterly fabulous, by the way) or
Fuck! (which has its own charm) that simply put poetry down on a page
and disseminate it. But thatís not for me. I am incessantly seeking a
new format or an inventive way of putting poetry into the world because
Iím interested in creating ďbooks as art,Ē items that can be
cherished as much for what they are as for what they say. Then there are
the poems themselves, and the selection thereof. The way they all fit
together in my mind Ö they tell a story. There is always a reason for
the order in which I arrange the poems, even if itís not at first
glance evident to the reader. But to put it simply, Charles, I want to
create something people will love and hold on to for a long time to
Q: Who designs your books?
A: My wife, Deborah, designs all the books and broadsides
for Centennial Press. Sheís brilliant, and Iím damn lucky to have
her, both as my small press partner and my wife. I love the interest she
puts into each piece, reading it before figuring out how to interpret it
visually. Sometimes sheíll draw inspiration directly from the poems
weíre publishing. Other times, sheíll have a certain vision that
sheíll want to carry through independent of the poem or poems. But the
work she does always floors me. Without her, there could be no
Centennial Press. Period. So yeah, maybe Iím the one everybody knows
because Iím the one in contact with the poets we publish, Iím the
one being interviewed (the one with the loud mouth). But sheís the
reason our books are so wonderful. Sheís the wizard behind the
Q: You seem to have connected with many of the major
poets in the small press, how did you manage to do that over such a
short period of time?
A: It was rather easy actually. I simply became a fan of
their work. Antler, Bill Taylor, A.D. Winans, justin.barrett, Glenn
Cooper, Nathan Graziano, the list goes on Ö even publishers like Brian
Morrissey and Bill Roberts. I became a fan of their work and thatís
how I approached them as a publisher. What poet isnít flattered when a
publisher seeks him out because heís just gotta publish one of his
poems? Over time, I became quite close to a lot of those guys. I feel
bad though because recently, Iíve kind of fallen off the map a little.
I got married in 2004, and while it might sound clichť, Iíve sort of
been adapting to (and fully embracing) my home life. Time goes by now
without my even noticing because Iím doing this or that, and next
thing you know, my friend A.D. turns 70 and I didnít even wish him a
happy birthday. I regret that. Also, Iíve taken on another job which
has kept me pretty busy Ö Iím the editor of Milwaukeeís INFO*
magazine. If itís not one thing, itís always something else.
Q: How does Milwaukee, Wisconsin work as a center for your
publishing efforts? Do you ever wish you could be in New York or San
A: Thereís something romantic about being a publisher of
poetry in this blue-collar Midwestern town. I feel at home here. And
thereís a strong scene here as well, writers like Antler, Susan Firer,
yourself, Catfish McDaris, Matt Cook, (the list goes on and on) Ė Alex
Carlson, B.J. Best (whose book Crap I nominated for the Pushcart Prize),
Brandon Lewis Ė calling Milwaukee their home, itís a very exciting
place to coexist as poet and publisher. I feel it almost an intrinsic
duty of mine to put Milwaukee on the map Ė or at least, help keep it
there. Thatís why youíll see many local poets in Anthills mingling
with other small press big (and little) fish from across the U.S. and
Q: You know a ton of writers, now you have to pick your top
two living poets and tell me who they are and why they top your list.
A: Only two? Jeeze. Iíll say, without a doubt, three of
the best voices in the vast world of small press poetry are William
Taylor Jr., justin.barrett, and John Sweet. Their work continually
floors me and I will read their words until the day I die. Nathan
Graziano is another whoís really come into his own. His book, Honey,
Iím Home, is one of the best chapbooks Iíve ever read.
That said, however, my two favorite living poets are potentially the
best-known small press poet actively working, and the least known:
Antler and Gunther C. Fogle, respectively. Antler is perhaps the most
wonderful human being I have ever had the privilege of getting to know.
His poetry transcends every notion of beauty Ö he shows me things,
allows me to see the world so clearly in ways I never thought
imaginable. He is the closest thing the world has to Walt Whitman and
his books should line the walls of your heart. They certainly do mine. I
never go anywhere without my copy of his
Selected Poems, and I make a point to read from it aloud whenever my
travels take me someplace new. Antler is a blessing and I cherish him
the way I cherish his poems.
As for GC Fogle, heís a different breed entirely. The thing about
Fogleís work is that it always makes me want to write. Thereís some
sort of kinetic energy existing in his poems that drives me into action.
His bravado is uncanny, but thatís something I dig about him. His
poems are bigger than he is. Theyíre beautiful, theyíre tragic,
theyíre hilarious Ö and most of them exist only in the envelopes he
sent me from his flat in Colorado. Original
copies he writes (on a manual typewriter, of course) and sends off to me
without editing, without revision, without worrying about making copies
first or sending them out to mags for publication. How romantic is
that?! There are some truly brilliant poems lying on my desk at home,
poems only my eyes have ever seen. But donít you worry Ö Iím going
to make sure one day the world too has its chance to read the words of
Gunther C. Fogle. Heís one of the reasons Iím a publisher.
Q: What projects are you working on?
A: Currently, Iím working on my most ambitious project to
date, a book of New & Selected poems by William Taylor Jr. called,
Words For Songs Never Written. Itís a project Iíve had on the
backburner for a long while now because Iíve always lacked the money
needed to do it justice Ė and this is one of those books that NEEDS to
be done right. But Iím happy to report itís finally in full swing.
The poems have been chosen and Deb is working on design ideas as we
speak. Bill is one hell of a poet, and this book of his deserves to be
on the shelf of every self-respecting admirer of poetry out there. Iím
honored to be the one to publish it for him.
Iíve just released a chapbook for the mega-superior cool Milwaukee
poet-from-another-century-altogether, Alex Carlson. Alís book is
filled with some of the most life-affecting words youíll ever read,
small press or not. The manís writing is breathtakingly good. Heís
the real deal.
Iím also still piecing together poems for a collection Iíve dubbed
Poems As Pickup Lines, which features 10-12 fun, short, ďpickupĒ
poems by poets like Bill Taylor and justin.barrett. Theyíre each
printed on small, business card-sized paper, packaged together in a
unique way for maximal portability. Itíll be a fun little collection.
Then, of course, Iím always working on Anthills, and Iíve got books
by John Sweet and Gunther C. Fogle forthcoming as well. One thingís
for sure, Iím always busy Ö and Iím always broke. But itís
always worth it.
Q: Are you open to submissions? How should writers get
their work to you? What are you looking for?
A: I accept submissions for Anthills year-round (I donít
believe in cutoff dates) and they can be sent to me via e-mail or snail
mail. But Iím utterly awful at responding Ö Iím trying to turn
over a new leaf (Iíve never liked that clichť). Iím looking for
poetry that kicks my ass and makes me cry. Poetry that sets fire to the
world. Short, long, free verse, haiku, whatever. My only requisite is
that it makes me feel. If it does that, itíll find its way into print
one way or another.
Q: What's you biggest beef with the small press? And tell
the truth Öegos, nepotism, small minds, high walls?
A: All of the above. In my opinion, there are too many
poets out there looking for favors Ö ďYou publish me and Iíll
publish you.Ē Poets are very cheap. They want you to buy their books
but wonít shell out $4 for one of yours. In general, theyíre too
full of themselves. There are too many poets out there emulating
Bukowski, as if he was some sort of small press martyr. They want to be
Bukowski, they want to write Bukowski, they want to make it big like
Bukowski. And theyíre too caught up in this bullshit of a
fantasy to realize theyíre scamming themselves. If they truly want to
be like Bukowski, they should stop trying to be like him and start
acting who they really are. Iíve read enough poems about puking,
fucking, boozing, gambling, whoring Ö Iím through with all that.
Those poets should take a look at what theyíre putting into the world
and ask themselves, ďIs it really worth it?Ē You want to know what I
love about the small press. That you can have a guy like Nathan Graziano
with balls enough to put together a
chapbook of poetry about how much he loves his wife, loves his little
girl, questions himself as husband and father, and puts himself on the
line like that Ö for everyone to see. That takes guts. Enough Bukowski
already. Give me Nathan Graziano!
Q: What is your favorite small press publication - why?
A: Thatís easy: Johnny Brewtonís X-Ray. Johnny Brewton
does more with X-Ray than I could ever aspire to do with Centennial
Press Ö though I certainly do aspire to play at his level. Heís one
of my strongest inspirations when it comes to conjuring up innovative
ways of packaging a poem. His publications are worth every penny
youíll dish out for them (and believe me, you can drop a pretty penny
on his publications). But like I said, theyíre always worth it. For
Johnny, there are no boundaries, and I admire that about him.
A more affordable alternative would be Brian Morrisseyís Poesy and
Linda Aschenbrennerís Free Verse. Both are very fine zines whose
editors are honest and have a great taste in poetry. Their format is
simple but the work that finds its way into each is incredible. Itís a
shame so many publications have come and gone in the short while Iíve
been on the scene. Itís nice to know these two have achieved a certain
Lastly, I cannot allow myself to answer this question without mentioning
Bill Robertsí Bottle of Smoke Press and justin.barrettís
Hemispherical Press. These guys donít publish zines, but they put out
chapbooks and broadsides that are consistently great. They are both at
the top of the small press publishing game.
Q: I hear you just got married. Congrats! What's married
life doing to your writing?
A: Thank you. Many months have passed since you first asked
this question, Charles, so the ďjustĒ is a little misleading.
(Another fine example of how I let time slip away from me.) For the near
year-and-a-half since weíve been married, Iíd say probably half the
poems I write are about my wife, or married life, etc. Itís an endless
source of material for me, and the best thing of all is the poetry I
write about Deborah always seems
to lead me to a deeper truth about our spectacular relationship I
hadnít previously been aware existed. I donít know how many people
in this world would love reading about my wife, but I sure do love
writing about her.
Charles P. Ries lives in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. His narrative poems,
stories, interviews and poetry reviews have appeared in over one hundred
twenty print and electronic publications. He has received three Pushcart
Prize nominations for his writing and most recently read his poetry on
National Public Radioís Theme and Variations, a program that is
over seventy NPR affiliates. He is the author of THE FATHERS WE
novel based on memory. Ries is also the author of five books of poetry
most recent entitled, The Last Time which was released by The Moon Press
Tucson, Arizona. He is the poetry editor for Word
Riot and on the board of the Woodland Pattern
Bookstore in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Most recently he has been
the Wisconsin Poet Laureate Commission.